In this episode Nicole talks to Laurent Sifre, co-founder and CTO of H Company and former DeepMind scientist behind AlphaGo, AlphaFold, and Chinchilla. They explore how his discoveries in model scaling shaped the design of H Company’s computer-use agents, including the Surfer H platform that learns to navigate software through perception and action instead of APIs. The conversation dives into data infrastructure, distributed KV caching, sovereign compute, and why the future of automation depends on smaller, specialized models that act in the real digital world.